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Eli Vieira's avatar

Refreshingly careful piece. You make all the right distinctions, like ethnicity being the real thing behind “racial relations.” On integration, speaking from a majority mixed-race country (Brazil) where different races are under the same broad ethnicity, what we do here is to associate ethnicity to location. There’s no risk of black culture from Bahia disappearing into the majority culture because, well, it’s in Bahia. Same thing for white gaucho culture in the South. While we know one is more black and the other more white, we rarely think it’s all black or all white (or all indigenous, or all caipira). We’re used to thinking there will be racial variation within each ethnic group. As for our famous music, we know that Samba, for instance, is not all black and we have great white sambistas in our history. Still, Samba is indeed thought of as blacker than Bossa Nova. What wokeness brought us, to our detriment, was the emphasis on this dichotomy, which is very American and not very Brazilian. We are now rediscovering mestizos, the majority of the country, thanks to work by intellectuals like Antonio Risério.

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Daniel Greco's avatar

Really nice piece.

On the idea that colorblindness dissolves ties that bind ethnic groups together, I think the point can be put even more strongly. In a thoroughly colorblind society, there wouldn’t even be ethnic distinctions. That is, ethnic distinctions only persist because of disparities in mate choice. If Nuyoricans were no more likely to couple with other Nuyoricans than with anybody else, then it doesn’t take too many generations before you don’t really have Nuyoricans anymore.

This is sort of what’s already happened with lots of “white” ethnic groups in the United States. My maternal grandmother immigrated from Poland before the holocaust (the rest of her family didn’t get out), and when she got to the United States, she was in Jewish social circles, where she met my Jewish maternal grandfather. Jewish ethnic identity persisted into the next generation (my mother), but more weakly, so it wasn’t surprising that my mother married a man (my father) with two Italian parents. Parallel story on his side. For me, while I have both Jewish and Italian ancestry, neither played a role in my life anything like the one they did for my grandparents, and so no surprise that when I got married, the woman I married was neither Jewish nor Italian, and I don’t think my children will have any sense of a distinctive ethnic identity the way all eight of their great-grandparents almost certainly did.

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